In 2002 he was interviewed by <a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/National_Public_Radio" title="National Public Radio" class="mw-redirect" id="mw_g">National Public Radio</a>'s <i id="mw_w"><a rel="mw:WikiLink" href="./Fresh_Air" title="Fresh Air" id="mwAQA">Fresh Air</a></i>, explaining his thought process at Bartlett's.